The Type IA barrel band is marked KV-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 59). Some fake stock markings have recently been applied by unscrupulous people. After WWII Birch became much more common. Saginaw M1 Carbine .30 Carbine Semi-Auto Rifle Blue Sky Import - C&R - 12500203. Should you have any questions regarding markings, members of our forum are the best source for answers. If a stock has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood but is absent the cutout for the M1 Carbine Production Dates * All dates and serial numbers are approximate * MFG Month Year Ending Serial # Inland - Inland Manufacturing Division of GM November 1941 5 WRA - Winchester Repeating Arms Co. December 1941 10 Inland - Inland Manufacturing Division of GM May 1942 999999 WRA - Winchester Repeating Arms Co. September 1942 1349999 Heck I should take some photos later. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. They didn't come any other way--period. Barrel Date: March, 1943 Caliber: .30 Carbine Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine Markings: Black cherry was approved and saw very limited use. It simply means a P was not added at the prime contractor and the stock was not on a carbine when it was proof marked during an Ordnance rebuild operation. The elimination of the bridge strengthening the stock forward of the trigger housing weakened this area making it prone to cracks. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. The practice of restoring the overhauled carbines by replacing later and/or non-original parts is a widespread practice among many collectors today. No documentation from Ordnance, or any of the prime contractors, has been found that indicates the date and serial number of carbines as they were assembled or when they passed M1 Carbine Saginaw Type 1A barrel band complete. .30 M1. and the top rear is marked IRWIN-PEDERSON / 1767065. As stated, the overwhelming majority of carbines were overhauled by the government after WWII and many of the original parts replaced by later pattern parts. Most everything can be easily bought online these days. Taming the SFAR: How Ruger's Small-Frame .308 Runs Suppressed. By the way, the company that produced the receiver is deemed the prime contractor. Ordnance depots outside the continental U.S. and foreign facilities contracted by U.S. I'm sure it's not all original. Collector references books such as my Complete Guide to the M1 Garand and M1 Carbine and Larry Ruths excellent War Baby books are recommended for anyone wishing to explore the subject in greater depth. Alcohol, Tobbaco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. Do you have anything on safeties? Which Saginaw? This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. Got 1 ! XA through XD was assigned for use by their Engineering Section on carbines built for testing and evaluation by their engineers. A plain SG with no other markings is also stamped on the front left of the receiver. Normally, sanded and refinished wood is quite easy to spot. There is no bayonet lug. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. This rareIrwin-PedersenM1 Carbine is in Very Good Plus condition. Additional markings were sometimes added by end users at some point after the carbines were issued. Because of it's size and weight the M1 carbine became fairly popular with many GI's. A few unconverted type III stocks absent the bridge have Model:M1 Carbine. marked: JM, Amco, MMQ,J.M.Q. And our The quantity of carbines used by their Engineering Section varied so the numbers with each prefix also varied. Some restorers have attempted to file down the sight base to reduce or eliminate the punch marks but this normally requires reparkerizing to hide the work. I have a high wood Rockola on my early IP. Make:Irwin-Pedersen. Product Information & Specs. Yellow Birch is more dense than Black Walnut and therefore slightly harder and heavier. http://m1family.com/general-history-rbine-t33.html, http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/serialnumbers.html. during the time the carbines were manufactured. The M1 Carbine contributed greatly to U.S. efforts during WWII. With World War 2 M1 sling. My guess is that since the receiver has the SG on the left front, it's probably a Saginaw-Saginaw and not a Saginaw-Grand Rapids (IP). M2 selector switch, it was a type III stock manufactured by Winchester or Inland prior to You certain the receiver is S'G'? American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. With World War 2 M1 sling. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Location: The People's Glorious Republik of Southern Kalifornistan. Box, Paperwork & Accessories:There is no magazine. Saginaw or Saginaw'. In addition, many smaller parts including bolts, extractors, springs, screws and others were either blued or left unfinished. There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. The Underwood barrel is original. We'rebringing a level of Ordnance also inspected It is this It looks good and has a strong bright bore. For sale is Inland M1 Carbine ser# 3064171. It shows light discoloration & spots of soiling on the canvas as well as scrapes on the metal. Bore Condition:The muzzle and grooves are light gray. community. Through our YouTube channel, we strive to educate and share the stories behind the artifacts we sell. Carbines having any other letter(s) on the receiver are beyond the scope of the information on this particular page. There were 3 basic handguard styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. To separate the production of each plant the prime symbol () was marked after the SG on the receivers of the Grand Rapids carbines. Manufacture date shows 9-43 with barrel date 9-43. A total of over 6.1 million M1 carbines of various models were manufactured, making it the most produced small arm for the American military during World War II (compared with The U.S. Carbine Caliber .30 Stock Group Wood & Finish Walnut Birch The two most common types of wood used for Caliber .30 Carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. A few very late stocks used with the M2 carbine are characterized by a very prominent bulge on the bottom of the forend. Mechanics:The action functions correctly. Documents found in the past have identified several prime contractors who assigned subsets of their serial numbers to their subcontractor(s). Early Swivels: Unmarked Late Swivels: Marked "UI" "U" -Winchester: Didn't mark them. to manufacture barrels. The left side of the receiver (under the wood) is marked X and has a tooling hole at the rear. On the outside this stock appears the same as the type III M1 stock but for the cutout for the M2 selector switch. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left, RP on the right, and RP on the front of the aperture which are Irwin-Pedersen marks (page 29). Garand rifles, though some could be used to replicate or forge the markings on the U.S. Carbines. We can be contacted at the following e-mail address. Skip to the beginning of the images gallery, 73 Plank Ave Paoli, The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. Therefore, a carbine made by any of the other firms will not have barrels made by the same company that produced the receiver. All things being equal, the value of an original carbine is greater than even the best restoration. Saginaw Carbines made in the Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. After the Irwin-Pedersen was canceled. 3?7XXXX ? Excellent overall condition. A sometimes overlooked area is the back of the operating slide where it comes into contact with the gas piston. Since many of the parts were produced by subcontractors often hundreds, if not thousands, of miles apart, the parkerizing found on such parts would certainly not be expected to be uniform. These sold for around $1.00 to $1.75 retail (new in wrapper) before the U.S. (September, 1994) magazine ban, and even less by the case. XA27, XA62, XD14). The trigger group is a type two pattern with the upright Inland markings on The inside of the operating slide is marked IP which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 65). The trigger group is marked IP on the right rear which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 78). Many people have reconstructed many carbines with what they believe should have been on the carbine when it left the factory. s/n's intermixed w/IBM s/n's (also see Table E & F). I'm sure it's not all original. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 87% of its metal finish. Thank you. Here is my $50 Saginaw S'G' - IP Carbine. Forgeries are a serious concern for collectors. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. The stamps used for the Caliber .30 Carbine stocks are also available. I have never really studied the parts or did much research. GENERAL MOTORS 12-43. I bought it a few years ago from another Calguns member. The most prominent marks are on the handguard. of 0.3. Saginaw Gear made receivers with wide locking tangs. We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. All original WWII carbine bolts are believed to have been blued. Manufacture date shows 9-43 with barrel date 9-43. The sling is marked with a blurred stamping between the buckle & strap. Hi everyone, I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. Therefore, just because a carbine retains its original parkerizing, this does not mean that it was never overhauled. Need Help Identifying Marks and value on My New SG M1. Good luck. Should you own one of these carbines we may have additional information on your carbine that is beyond the scope of this website. There is light erosion at the muzzle. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. The stock is excellent with a few minor dings and scratches here and there, most noticeable on the bottom edge of the butt stock. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. An Ordnance supplement Irwin-Pedersen Numbers Reassigned to Saginaw at Grand Rapids. Thicker wood along the right side adjacent the slide (bottom). Many online gun sales actually take away from your local The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. due to a lack of original documentation. A brand new condition stock on a carbine with well-used metal components is a sure indication that something is amiss. My IP is in the first serial block--1776xxx. They are a specialty that The barrel is an Underwood barrel that was supplied to Saginaw SG. Saginaw (S.G.)-Main Manufacture and identification codes: "S.G."-Main plant location: Saginaw, Michigan.-Average Cost to Government per completed rifle, $38.00 This change was not implemented in conjunction with the longer barrel channel Underwood supplied barrels for Saginaw SG (page 50). The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. Barrel Date: September, 1943, Action Type:Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. The decision for which receivers A very scarce WW2 Saginaw manufacture U.S. M1 Carbine .30 Caliber Semi-Auto rifle. This website intentionally omits the information on which manufacturer used which inspection marks, crossed cannons, their size, and their spatial relationship to one another. Overall, the gun is in nice condition. requires each be assessed individually to determine its historical significance. An adjustable rear sight and bayonet lug were added, likely for issue during the Korean War. This Inland M1 Carbine was made back in 1944. These marking(s) and their location(s) varied based on needs and/or intent. Saginaw Carbines made in the original Saginaw, Michigan factory are marked S.G. or SG. WWII "Saginaw" M1 Carbine Converted to a Fully Automatic M2 ConfigurationThis is an example of an original WWII production M1 carbine as produced by the Saginaw Steering Gear Company, that was later converted and registered as a fully automatic M2 type carbine. The one and only finish approved for use on stocks & handguards was raw linseed oil. You sir have seemed to have done a lot of research on the history of each manufacture. There is a P stamp where it should be. Winchester made 828,059, followed by Underwood Elliott-Fisher at 545,616, SIG Sauer MCX Review: Next-Gen Modern Sporting Rifle? were parkerized, the tint and texture of these parts varied. How long ago? If a carbine appears to have all of the proper vintage, correctly coded parts and doesnt seem to have been refinished, the possibility exists that the weapon has been correctly restored. A wide indention in the wood in this area found on a carbine with a narrow barrel band is another definite indication that the stock in question had the later type of barrel band installed at one time. Serial There is a light import mark on the right side of the barrel. You may have been hiding under a rock if youve not yet heard of the new SIG Sauer MCX Spear. of a company that is committed to your satisfaction. As solutions to old problems were learned, some of the same standard for all type V M2 pot belly stocks by all manufacturers. Another word of caution is that brand new reproduction carbine stocks have been produced within the past couple of years. When CMP had a bunch of M1 Carbine for sale that were from Spain or Italy I bought one and it is a Saginaw. Most were of the flat top variety although the rounded bolts came into use by a few makers before production ceased. Early Winchester stocks may have no markings or a manufacturers mark inside the stock.Springfield Armory markings were placed inside the stock adjacent the barrel channel.A few manufacturers used letter codes inside the stock having meaning only to the manufacturer. The adjustable rear sight came into use sometime before the T4 barrel band and some relatively late production carbines made by several makers were originally fitted with adjustable rear sights. on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in The rifling is sharp. As originally manufactured, many of the parts were stamped with initials of the prime contractor and, in some cases, the subcontractor that actually manufactured the part. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. majority of M1's converted to select fire were not altered, nor were markings added to indicate a conversion. Irwin-Pedersenhad assembled only 3,542 guns at the time, none of which were accepted by the government. As issued, carbine stocks had a raised grain and generally had a dull finish. The bolt is marked IP on the right lug which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 36). Ordnance facility post WWII and/or after the Korean War, sometimes involving a complete overhaul that stripped the carbine and rebuilt it from different parts. Here is one for you. IMMEDIATELY its how business should be done. IP used some Rockola wood at their start up. contact us using the forum. We offer a 7 day inspection period and hassle free returns to ensure every customer is happy with whatever they buy from us. Box, Paperwork & Accessories:The rifle has a canvas sling attached. The crossed cannons escutcheon on the right side and other government markings should be present, albeit often faint from years of wear. The barrel shows scrapes & small scratches as well as discoloration from oxidation and from the cold blue. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B customers to the absolute best of our abilities. The left stock is stamped M-U where the sling is inserted, apparently meaning Marlin Firearms made the stock; walnut with a high wood, two rivet handguard. Contracts had a completion date but there was no requirement for completing one contract before starting another. Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. subcontractors, suppliers, members of the military or government, and others to show appreciation for their assistance and cooperation Thinning on the trigger group. Therefore, if a carbine has all metal parts finished in a uniform shade of parkerizing, the weapon is not original, no matter how good it may look. Sapwood is pale yellow-gray to nearly white. rebuilt from spare parts. Some of these blocks were split up and used before or after other blocks. Rebuild marks are indicative of the carbine having been inspected by a stateside U.S. Ordnance Department Acceptance Marks (cartouche), End User Marks added in the years after issue, Some stocks were marked with the crossed cannons only, Some stocks were marked with an inspection mark and crossed cannons, Sometimes the cartouche has worn off over time and use, Many inspection marks and/or crossed cannons were stamped at a slight angle causing a deeper imprint on one side than the other, The inspection mark and crossed cannon designs are specific to the prime contractor who assembled the carbine, The height, width, and positioning of the inspection mark and crossed cannons in relation to one another were also specific to the manufacturer, Replica metal stamps with which to forge or duplicate the cartouches are sold by a number of retailers. Made in the Winter of 1943. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. No matter what you hunt, or what type of gun you prefer to hunt with, Guns.com offers options for everyone. Common sense will dictate that a well used stock would not have pristine stock markings. Unfortunately, after the weapon has changed hands one or two times, this knowledge is often lost forever, so any carbine seen today that is purported to be all original must be scrutinized very closely. All matching even the trigger group. Most websites are poorly However, the majority of carbines made in WWII had the non-adjustable L type rear sights. This is not to imply thatonlythese parts are important as every component should be closely scrutinized. The ebb and flow of mass production created parts surpluses and shortages for all the prime contractors, barrels included. two Ordnance rebuild P's. Therefore, if any other carbine has this type of barrel band, it is not all original. If these are stamped with bogus, but seemingly proper markings, such stocks could appear to be highly desirable mint original stocks. I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. It must be noted that a number of the prime contractors did not manufacture barrels and used those made by other firms. The smooth push button safety is marked E-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 95 & 185). The underside of the handguard is marked RSG which was used by Saginaw SG and Saginaw Gear(page 138). Caliber .30 Carbine Models M1, M1A1 and M2 (1) leftover carbines offered to Ordnance after a company name change and completion of the NPM contract (2) Toolroom Models: Pre stock was thickened below the slide earning this stock the nickname of the "M2 Pot Belly stock". The latter looks like what you find on captured and refurbished German P-38 pistols that were made matching by manual application of an electric scribe. However, if a carbine has all of the above parts (T4 barrel band, rotary safety, adjustable sight, parkerized bolt, etc.) Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition as refinished. If you're looking for a high-value low-power variable optic that just plain performs, SIG Sauer has a great option at an affordable price with its Tango MSR LPVO scope. A M1 with high wood is going to bring a high price. We buy and sell collectible firearms and militaria ranging from the Civil War to Desert Storm, specializing in WW1 & WW2. Dating a carbine by its serial number alone is difficult and not always accurate given the circumstances inherent with manufacturing and the logistics situation The two most common types of wood used for caliber .30 carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. We did not fire this rifle. Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 90% of its metal finish as refinished. The serial numbers allocated to these carbines were as follows. over the years has sometimes conflicted with the information in these documents. The top of the barrel is marked INLAND MFG. Bolt is parkerized. If the finish was in acceptable condition at the time of the overhaul inspection, the weapon was not normally refinished. Over 6 million were made by a number of U.S. companies to assist with the all out war effort. We have a Irwin-Pederson (IP) secured a contract to produce M1 Carbines for the war effort in March of 1942. found to indicate this was done by the original manufacturer(s). Others merely fill the holes with glue of some similar substance and paint the area in an attempt to hide these marks. That S/N is a Saginaw Grand Rapids number. I have a Saginaw M1 Carbine. This Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine uses almost all original Irwin-Pedersen parts that were made prior to Saginaw SG taking over. Questions should be posted in the appropriate forum. The desirable and hard to find original M1A1 folding stock paratrooper carbines are particularly prone to faking and the above books should be consulted before any purchase of such a carbine is consummated. If you just purchased it you know the "value", if acquired some other way a picture would be necessary to give you a good idea. Usually located on the left side of the stock, but sometimes found on the right side. My Saginaw serial 332xxxx also doesn't have any dots, just SAGINAW SG. Military AAY inspector stamp on left of stock near reciever. It's listed with Inland. 317XXXX. Rebuild marks are rarely forged as they devalue the carbine in the eyes of most collectors. Carbines with a Serial Number above 8 million. Sent the OP some pictures of an all S'G' I had listed here last year, didn't get a single request for pictures from members, and asked two questions but had no reply. It is only fair that some context of time be added to such comments. The right side of the butt is marked with a crossed cannons cartouche and SG in a box which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 124). After WWII many stocks & handguards did not have a manufacturers mark. Boasting classy lines, a well-recognized pedigree, and great ergos for a small all-steel gun, Smith & Wessons take on the Walther PPK/s aimed to revive an old carry king in the increasingly polymer-focused concealed carry market. CARBINE / CAL. The letters were followed by In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin While a crack can happen anywhere in the stock there are several places it was more prone to happen than anywhere else. Carbines that have one of these serial numbers may be an Engineering prototype, a "presentation" carbine, or both. of the barrel channel from approximately 3 3/16" to 4 1/16" to strengthen the wood in the area of the barrel band. M1 Carbine Markings Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. then allowed to dry. Markings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. Any completed Irwin-Pederson rifles were most likely reassembled and reinspected by Saginaw SG after they took over the contract. been observed but are uncommon. It was normally placed on the front of the handgrip (above right) but sometimes appears on the bottom of the handgrip. Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. Irwin-Pederson M1 Carbines are RARE. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw SG receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Rieschs book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). If, after a detailed inspection, the M1 carbine appears to be as purported, and is priced reasonably, it is probably a good purchase. It is in about Good condition. Saginaw took over production in Grand Rapids and marked the facilities M1 Carbines SG to differentiate them from the ones produced at the original Saginaw plant. A few manufacturers used some serial number blocks out of order. General Motors Steering Gear Division. Thank you. None of the carbines produced by Irwin-Pedersen (IP) were accepted by Ordnance. We hope to raise awareness and understanding for the collector community, as well as encourage new collectors to join the hobby. Visit our website for new treasures daily. All Rights Reserved. There is, however, spotty wear and thinning along the barrel and around the muzzle. Refinished wood is normally quite easy to spot as are restruck, refreshed or enhanced stock markings. The Irwin-Pedersen contracts were terminated by Ordnance. Click Here to view our Gunbroker page! At Guns.com, if an FFL is That serial number was issued to Standard Products. This M1 Carbine has been rebuilt and now uses a mix of Inland and USGI parts. receiver. 4 1/16" (approx.) Underwood supplied barrels for Irwin-Pedersen (page 50). Most WWII carbines had hand guards with two rivets rather than the four rivet hand guards found on later production carbines and many rebuilds. There is no erosion. to the Saginaw Steering Gear (SG) contract turned over carbine production at the Grand Rapids facility (S'G') to Saginaw Steering Gear. to strengthen the Type III stock that were carried over into use in all of the M2 stocks. A number of researchers and authors are present on the forums, helping others and seeking information for various research projects. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. Mean that it was never overhauled high price parts that were carried into! 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